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<// J_Daito //> No, no, you have me all wrong? A Dark General using unjustified violence? Perish the thought...


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[17:40] * @The Intern changes topic to `[size=15]OOC NIGHT: LET'S GET FEEDBACK ABOUT THE RP `
[17:40] * @The Intern changes topic to `OOC NIGHT: LET'S GET FEEDBACK ABOUT THE RP `
[17:42] * @The Proprietor is now known as X
[17:42] <@X> let's discuss the rules, the guide, playstyles, anything else you wanan about the RP you feel needs addressing
[17:43] <UltraMatt> hmm
[17:44] <KingPriceman> I feel that when A villain is introduced for Making an epic plot, I fear that other characters will destroy the villain before the plot starts.
[17:44] <KingPriceman> or, that he would be simply regarded as a weak mook.
[17:45] <@X> lol that's why the tyrant is holed up on jupiter for now
[17:45] <@X> everyone kept trying to instakill her
[17:45] <KingPriceman> " I Know..... Let's kill him before the plot thickens and this guy has a chance to make an intresting plot"
[17:45] <@X> well remember kp
[17:46] <@X> this is a box filled with heroes
[17:46] <@X> if you're going to be bad
[17:46] <@X> you need ot be very clever and very crafty
[17:46] <@X> strength alone will not ever do
[17:46] <@X> that being said people can take it too far
[17:46] <KingPriceman> and it sometimes makes me frustrated.
[17:46] <@X> and be so crafty as to almost godmode
[17:46] <@X> hmm
[17:46] <@X> anyone care of give kp some tips?
[17:47] <@X> matt you've run baddies before
[17:47] <@X> how do you kee them from instadeath or looking silly
[17:47] <UltraMatt> well
[17:47] <UltraMatt> sometimes first off I'll hold off on having the villian directly face the heroes till I'm ready
[17:48] <The Necromantress> Did seomeone call for a villain?
[17:48] <@X> no go bring us pizza
[17:49] <KingPriceman> I don't care at this point, I need a pro to help
[17:49] <@X> matt that was a good tip
[17:49] <UltraMatt> either have heroes face disposable followers
[17:49] <UltraMatt> or I'll have them do something from a distance
[17:49] <@X> we may want to make a "making a ghodd villian" page on the wiki too
[17:50] <KingPriceman> And a box commands page, is that still in progress?
[17:51] <@X> we'll get to it
[17:51] <@X> i want matt to answer your prior question tho
[17:51] <KingPriceman> okay.
[17:51] <@X> all good tips so far
[17:52] <UltraMatt> however
[17:52] <UltraMatt> I also..as mentined in the rules...do allow for the heroes to have a chance to get closer to where the villian may be
[17:56] <@X> So in sum-- keep the villian distant, aloof, work through intermediaries to build their rep, leep the heroes engaged without smothering or rolling over?
[17:57] <UltraMatt> yes
[17:57] <UltraMatt> now keep in mind
[17:57] <UltraMatt> this is ONLY if you'r doing a sort of..overlord type villian
[17:59] <KingPriceman> so... I should set up a distrction for them?
[17:59] <@X> What about other types
[17:59] <UltraMatt> if you're doing doing a single one off villian with no possible underlings
[18:00] <UltraMatt> the cut and run is good
[18:00] <UltraMatt> if you've watched your anime, you know what I mean
[18:00] * The Necromantress sits in a throne held up by skeletons. One of them tosses X a pizza
[18:00] * @X noms
[18:00] <KingPriceman> Excuse Me, Miss Necromantress, Can I get a slice as well?
[18:02] * The Necromantress tosses him a rotten slice
[18:03] <KingPriceman> mmmm... Rotten Pizza.... MY FAVORITE :D
[18:03] * KingPriceman eats the rotten Pizza :D
[18:04] <UltraMatt> with the cut and run
[18:04] <UltraMatt> you let the heroes beat the villian to a POINT
[18:04] <UltraMatt> then WOOSH escape!
[18:04] <The Necromantress> Or set the stakes in a way that the heros are not going to want to kill them, or they have a way to get better if they do die
[18:04] <The Necromantress> Like myself. I'm a lich. I'll just keep getting up and coming back to harrass you.
[18:06] <KingPriceman> I read in the Wiki that a character did some "Bait and Switch" one, what was that about?
[18:06] <KingPriceman> *once
[18:08] <KingPriceman> and what were the circumstances?
[18:10] <The Necromantress> Got some context?
[18:11] <KingPriceman> some kind of game where they missed out on some clues.
[18:12] <The Necromantress> I think that was one of your Xadium
[18:12] <@X> Possibly
[18:12] <@X> I know HAzel Ninegate did a few
[18:13] <@X> like if you came after her directly she was either a hologram or a robot copy
[18:13] <@X> or a clone
[18:13] <@X> or in the nonary game 3 the real villain was not who you thought at all
[18:13] <@X> it was a good guy who was brainwashed
[18:13] <@X> wheh hazel first showed up she was good guy
[18:13] <@X> disguising herself
[18:13] <@X> so no one ever camew after her
[18:14] <@X> stuff happened in the background
[18:14] <@X> and then she made her reveal
[18:14] <@X> she hasd a very good run because she alwasy worked from a distance and whenever she was beate the heroes usually got something
[18:14] <@X> either they beat her plan
[18:14] <@X> or they got some info
[18:14] <@X> or something
[18:15] <@X> matt gave you the right idea
[18:15] <@X> to save your fina; boss have them be oinly named
[18:15] <@X> or seen from a distance
[18:15] <@X> have the actions of their intermediaries do the talking
[18:15] <@X> but at the same time
[18:15] <@X> don't make things so... godmodey people get tired of them
[18:15] <@X> like by being relentless right at the get go
[18:16] <KingPriceman> What if you've already named your final boss?
[18:16] <@X> that's fine
[18:16] <@X> what i mean is
[18:16] <@X> liek lokk at sir plague
[18:16] <@X> right out of the box he escalated SO FAR adn SO FAST
[18:16] <@X> that we basically have to amass EVERYTHING to stop him
[18:17] <@X> and of course that means a curbstomp is coming
[18:17] <@X> that villainw on't last long once we find it
[18:17] <@X> a GOOD villain does a slow burn
[18:17] <@X> small, tiny moves
[18:17] <@X> like umm
[18:17] <@X> some factory gets raided
[18:17] <@X> we investigate, beat upo some disposable minions
[18:18] <@X> they tell us king pokemonpolis or whatever ordered them
[18:18] <@X> so now we have a name
[18:18] <@X> next time another thing happens
[18:18] <@X> again we take out mooks or a midboss
[18:18] <@X> the heroes get a win but the rep of the main boss is unhurt
[18:18] <@X> in fact now the main boss starts to GET a rep
[18:18] <@X> then you slowly add more and bigger things
[18:19] <@X> so that after a while we're ready for a boss fight and while there might be smack talk
[18:19] <@X> your villain now has a measure of respect
[18:19] <@X> does that sorta make sense
[18:19] <@X> we usually do this by hacing smalkl incidents occur randomly in ss2 / 3
[18:19] <@X> then scheduled event battles in 3
[18:19] <KingPriceman> It does, but you all forgot about the other villain.
[18:20] <@spiritflame> ATTENTION: UltraMatt is already registered. Check your password or enter a new name.
[18:20] <UltraMatt> yes
[18:20] <@X> usually uopping the stakes each time and yet not messing up the rewst of th ebox for other playuers
[18:20] <@X> welll you need to work them intot he scenario
[18:20] <@X> i'm just giving an example
[18:21] <UltraMatt> ok i need to step in here
[18:21] <UltraMatt> cause I have some advice when it comes to the "stakes"
[18:21] <KingPriceman> go ahead.
[18:21] <UltraMatt> when creating stakes for a plot
[18:22] <UltraMatt> make sure the stakes will...affect the other players in some way (without stepping on their toes)
[18:22] <UltraMatt> they need to feel the urgency to battle he villian
[18:22] <UltraMatt> to win
[18:23] <KingPriceman> so they sometimes need to be contcted bia chatango... to set up the stakes?
[18:23] <UltraMatt> it's fine to allow the stake to be mearly focused on your characters
[18:23] <KingPriceman> *via
[18:23] <UltraMatt> but it won't.....nessicarly grab people's attention
[18:23] <UltraMatt> no no um
[18:23] <UltraMatt> you know what i mean, X, right?
[18:24] <@X> like
[18:24] <DSRaoul> The main problem with Apocalymon and Pokelantis is that they're mainly relevant to your peeps--- going after Daniel's Clan and Pinako respectively.
[18:24] <@X> Hazel would attacka place that has meaning
[18:24] <@X> right
[18:24] <@X> nnow no offense
[18:24] <@X> butg let's say no one cares about daniel or pinako
[18:24] <@X> they'r enot going to engage with the villain
[18:25] <@X> you need to make the target a bit wider too
[18:26] <KingPriceman> How wide?
[18:26] <@X> not stupiud wide like sir plague
[18:26] <@X> like... tokyo
[18:26] <@X> like buildings in tokyo to stsrt
[18:26] <@X> or something
[18:26] <@X> that makes people notice
[18:26] <@X> like why is he stealiong busloads of people
[18:27] <@X> or why are the trees going missing
[18:27] <@X> etc
[18:27] <@X> work small to large
[18:27] <UltraMatt> now
[18:27] <UltraMatt> thing is
[18:27] <UltraMatt> if you PLAN a very specific focus or target
[18:27] <UltraMatt> yeah stick with a smaller goal
[18:29] <UltraMatt> events are dependent on how big you make it and how big your target is as a player
[18:30] <KingPriceman> So, start small, and slowly go medium?
[18:30] <UltraMatt> well...
[18:31] <@X> okay look at the tyrant
[18:31] <KingPriceman> okay.
[18:31] <@X> first we had one of our chars get into trouble
[18:31] <@X> some other chrs went to help
[18:31] <@X> there we saw this being locked up in a space prison
[18:31] <@X> in the course of the event a small part gets away
[18:31] <@X> -that was the setup
[18:32] <@X> next: we find out that part went back in time
[18:32] <@X> so our chars follow
[18:32] <@X> this leads to an event where they need to fight through some things to find out where thiis piece went and ID a traitor
[18:32] <@X> i missed a tsp sorry
[18:32] <@X> we find out there is a traitor
[18:32] <@X> so we have to investigate
[18:33] <@X> thius leads ot some mini scens where sheroes have to solve puzzles
[18:33] <@X> as they solve them we start to paint a picture of how bad things could be
[18:33] <@X> then we find out the origins of this trator are back in time
[18:33] <@X> we go back and fight through the vents of the time
[18:33] <@X> see that piece that got away
[18:33] <@X> see the traitor who is makoto
[18:34] <@X> SHOKKU
[18:34] <@X> leads to more events where we controfnt her in the present
[18:34] <@X> she becomes he rtyrant
[18:34] <@X> people try to save the tyrant, can't
[18:34] <@X> she gets away
[18:34] <@X> makesa a device to blow up the solar systewm
[18:34] <@X> heroes have to inverstigate it (1 event) then stop it (anotehr evnet)
[18:34] <@X> they stop it
[18:34] <@X> so the heroes are built up
[18:34] <@X> but her reputation has grown
[18:35] <@X> see?
[18:35] <@X> bbl dinner
[18:35] <@X> matt tajke it from there
[18:35] <KingPriceman> I see.
[18:35] <Lego3400> My biggest issue is I often want to rush steps and deal with it now and reveal everything in one go
[18:35] <Lego3400> Don't do thaqt regardless of how much you want to
[18:36] <KingPriceman> Don't worry, I'll think of consequences.
[18:39] <KingPriceman> so, you call it when the twist is revealed?
[18:46] <UltraMatt> not nessicarly
[18:46] <UltraMatt> simply adapt
[18:48] <@X> rmemeber the players don't really know the twist
[18:48] <@X> if they guess it don't acknowledge it
[18:48] <@X> just change the twist Xd
[18:49] <@X> of course someone will always figure things out
[18:49] <Lego3400> Or ackowlage it and move on to the next step faster
[18:49] <@X> LEGO
[18:49] <@X> XD
[18:49] <@X> but yeah
[18:49] <@X> justpress on
[18:49] <@X> teists are exciting but
[18:49] <Lego3400> It depends on how well you forshadow and how sterotypical the siutation is
[18:49] <@X> people really just wan tto play with you
[18:49] <@X> they may not be as blown away
[18:49] <@X> but they'll still play
[18:50] <@X> and appreciate the effort you put in
[18:50] <Lego3400> Also some reveals are sometimes more shockoing when the reveal is just offhandly mentioned
[18:50] <Lego3400> There was no build up to Morm and the Necromantress being half sliblings despite it being something I always knew. It was revealed when Mormeril off hanidly mentioned it when recapping his backstory
[18:51] <UltraMatt> also you don't always need a twist
[18:52] <Lego3400> (Also sometimes that's the only way to reveal a twist. If it's something all your charcters already know but just never mentioned, it's less twist and more a simple reveal
[18:52] <Lego3400> In that case everyone who knew morm Prior to the box and were thus help leading the plot knew they were releated, they just didn't thjink it was imporant to mention till then
[18:54] <KingPriceman> Ok, so what about weaknesses of minor baddies?
[18:55] <Lego3400> They don't always need one
[18:56] <Lego3400> Somtimes a large herd is all you need
[18:56] <Lego3400> A mass of faceless zombies you can mow down enmass will slow down the heros just as long as a single elite mook but require far less charcterization and active RP on your part as you often don't need to respond, they just die off after each attack
[18:56] <KingPriceman> and if that large herd is somehow obliterated before the fight begins.... RAOUL.....
[18:57] <Lego3400> Bring out more
[18:58] <Yumiko> MORE MORE MORE!!
[18:58] <@MJayDee> herpderp
[18:58] <@MJayDee> oh coolies, this name still works
[18:59] <Lego3400> Never set limits to things unless you need to
[18:59] <KingPriceman> some, Near-infinite numbers of them?
[18:59] <Lego3400> don't define how many mooks there are in the army
[18:59] <Lego3400> Just the fact that there are alot of them
[18:59] <@MJayDee> I'm readin' backlogs so don't mind me for now
[19:01] <KingPriceman> ...ok i might have to get dinner soon.
[19:01] <KingPriceman> but, this is all good advice.
[19:03] <@YumikoTakanashi> you dont need to have everything spelled out. say they're swooping in
[19:03] <@YumikoTakanashi> HEY
[19:03] <@YumikoTakanashi> WAIT!! I WANT A GOLD NAME!!
[19:03] <KingPriceman> hey yumiko.
[19:04] <KingPriceman> I WANT A RED NAME.
[19:04] <@YumikoTakanashi> OPonly kiddo XD
[19:04] <@MJayDee> I AM YOUR GOLDEN GOD
[19:05] <@X> okay so now that we've helped DK a bit
[19:05] <@X> Other questions / concerns, things
[19:05] <@MJayDee> There are not enough burritos
[19:05] <@YumikoTakanashi> I WANT A COLOR OTHER THAN MY SOUL
[19:05] <@MJayDee> a legit concern
[19:06] <@YumikoTakanashi> :P
[19:06] <@X> lol i'll set that up later yumi
[19:06] <@YumikoTakanashi> CAN I HAVE PURPLE??
[19:08] <@X> sure
[19:09] <@YumikoTakanashi> YES!!!
[19:10] <@MJayDee> I honestly can't help but feel we have to do this every year or two
[19:10] <Lego3400> we do
[19:11] <@MJayDee> (you haven't even been here a year <<)
[19:12] <Lego3400> .....
[19:12] <Lego3400> I've been here many years
[19:12] <@MJayDee> ahaha
[19:12] <@MJayDee> my brain
[19:12] <@YumikoTakanashi> Mike he's old
[19:12] <@MJayDee> don't mind me
[19:12] <@YumikoTakanashi> DK is the new one
[19:12] <@MJayDee> My brain read your's as DK's
[19:13] <@YumikoTakanashi> Even I'VE been here longer than a year
[19:13] <@MJayDee> MY APPOLOGIES, I'M EXHAUSTED
[19:13] * @YumikoTakanashi pats Mike's head
[19:13] <@MJayDee> I was reading the logs and my mental wires got crossed
[19:14] <DSRaoul> Go get some rest, dood.
[19:14] <@MJayDee> I'm eating right now thoooouuuuuugh
[19:14] <@MJayDee> I haven't had a decent meal since 7 am
[19:16] <DSRaoul> Ouch.
[19:17] <@MJayDee> before my derailment...
[19:20] <Euri Hakinochi> I
[19:20] <Euri Hakinochi> Hi I had a question about meta gaming as mentioned in the rules.
[19:20] <KingPriceman> HA! Yumiko has my brain! :P
[19:21] <@YumikoTakanashi> ask away
[19:22] <Euri Hakinochi> For someone to easily access the security footage of the hotel lobby and see recorded events of something that happened with prior characters unrelated to them, so they get information they would not normally have known. Is that considered a form of metagaming?
[19:22] <Euri Hakinochi> Also congrats on becoming an OP Yumi!
[19:22] <UltraMatt> X might want to answer that one
[19:22] <@X> well we know for example chateaux and one of kk's chars can do it
[19:22] <@X> btu as it might potentially wreck a plot
[19:22] <@X> we would want to check witht he game runner
[19:23] <@X> and be a bit flexible if the say no
[19:23] <@X> like i can always make up a reason why chateaux doesn't see something
[19:23] <@X> that wouldn't be metagaming per se
[19:23] <Euri Hakinochi> I don't remember the specifics but I know someone else's character did that in regards to a scene with mine and I was a little miffed that they could just do that, you know?
[19:24] <@X> yeah
[19:24] <@X> we want to stop that
[19:24] <@X> like for a game breaker like that we want the other player to check with the runner
[19:24] <Euri Hakinochi> And it wasn't through Caht, it was just them checking it on their own.
[19:24] <Euri Hakinochi> Ok.
[19:24] <@X> i should probably put that in
[19:24] <@MJayDee> Mike has tapped into the camera system regularly, but It's just my explanation for the logs being a "thing" inuniverse
[19:24] <Euri Hakinochi> Because there's one thing for a player to read through back longs but for a character to do Ithe seems odd to me
[19:24] <@X> well chat flat out says she keeps logs
[19:25] <@X> usually they're security locked
[19:25] <@X> that's the in box explainer for them
[19:25] <Euri Hakinochi> So any character can check whenever they want?
[19:25] <Euri Hakinochi> Ah
[19:25] <@X> for events outsiode of the hotel we can blame torchewood
[19:25] <@X> welll
[19:25] <@X> within limits
[19:25] <@X> that's why we want the runner involved
[19:25] <@X> they can choose to permit / deny
[19:26] <@X> basically i think in those cases we leave itr to runner choice
[19:28] <Euri Hakinochi> Ah ok.
[19:28] <KingPriceman> Should those that want to make a big reveal ask the plot runner if they could do so?
[19:28] <@X> ♦ In universe it's explained that between Chateaux and Torchwood everything gets logged. So in theory a private action could be caught on a log, but at the same time we don't want to break a game by just saying "hey I searched the logs". In this case you want to wait till the plot runner is around to do a log searching action or ask them OOC if it would be okay for your char to find this information and run with their answer.
[19:28] <Euri Hakinochi> I have one more question / clarification needed as well once this question s wrapped up.
[19:29] <@X> what do you mean what to make a big reveal
[19:29] <KingPriceman> that a character isn't who they thoughgt it was.
[19:30] <KingPriceman> or they say "That's not him"
[19:30] <@MJayDee> Here is where i chime up and say, if you don't want something like that revealed....then don't put it in the box at all
[19:30] <@X> no I think they mean like
[19:30] <@X> id I'm running Kailey
[19:30] <@X> can someone walk in and go
[19:31] <@X> SHE'S A PART OF NINEGATE
[19:31] <@YumikoTakanashi> well for some instances like Sean's impersonation... there are people who would know the difference
[19:31] <@X> because they think they know the answer
[19:31] <@X> oh
[19:31] <@X> I dunno. Erui what do you mwan
[19:31] <@X> Oh god typing why
[19:31] <@X> Euri what do you mean
[19:31] <Euri Hakinochi> About my next question?
[19:31] <@X> no about the reveasl
[19:32] <@X> what do you mean if they want to make a big reveal
[19:32] <Euri Hakinochi> I didn't ask that
[19:32] <@YumikoTakanashi> if someone guesses the identity
[19:33] <Euri Hakinochi> Eh?
[19:33] <@YumikoTakanashi> like sean... daini out right stated the killer wasnt sean
[19:33] <@MJayDee> KP asked that X
[19:33] <@MJayDee> and fire away Euri
[19:33] <Euri Hakinochi> Ok.
[19:33] <@X> oh god sorry
[19:33] <@X> wow
[19:33] <@X> go ahead euri
[19:34] <Euri Hakinochi> So I know rape, as in any nonconsensual sex,
[19:34] <Euri Hakinochi> Is not allowed, at all.
[19:34] <Euri Hakinochi> Nor is it allowed to be referred to behind the scenes.
[19:35] <@X> well as in you can't say "/away i'm off to rape this person now"
[19:35] <Euri Hakinochi> Does that include sequel assault if it's not full blown intercourse? Of course that'd be played out behind the scenes, but would something like be allowed to occur or mentioned?
[19:35] <@X> I think tbh we're tryign to get away from that theme
[19:36] <@X> as a concession to people with trauaamtic experiences with that in the past
[19:36] <Euri Hakinochi> Ok. What if it's alluded to in like #ss3?
[19:36] <@X> like a trigger thing on tumblr
[19:36] <@X> i'm open to comments fromt he room
[19:36] <@X> I don't want to be unilaterally deciding here
[19:36] <Euri Hakinochi> I know I did something like that and it bothered people when they eventually noticed it/cared about paying attention to my characters.
[19:36] <Lego3400> I wouldn't be opposed to it as part of a BACKSTORY
[19:37] <UltraMatt> same
[19:37] <@X> yeah i mean i think the cloest i would come to it is someone coming in the next day and it's clear something happened ot them without it becing explicityl done or mentioned here beforehand
[19:37] <KingPriceman> same here.
[19:37] <@X> is that a decent enough compromise?
[19:38] <@X> becasuse then it falls into a narrative area
[19:38] <Euri Hakinochi> So as long as it's not played out in any box?
[19:38] <UltraMatt> yes
[19:38] <UltraMatt> yeah
[19:38] <@X> rigth
[19:38] <@X> ^right
[19:38] <Euri Hakinochi> Ok. Is that something that should be added to the rules?
[19:38] <@X> think of it as a hard scene curtaway
[19:38] <Euri Hakinochi> I know it's really specific.
[19:38] <UltraMatt> cause doing it IN box just brings up....issues
[19:38] <@X> i can put that in as a clarifcation
[19:39] <@YumikoTakanashi> yeah that sounds good
[19:39] <@MJayDee> works for me
[19:39] <Euri Hakinochi> But that could be the same as anything tramautic, like a car accident or witnessing a murder or being held up in a bank or uh idk lost my train of thought
[19:39] <UltraMatt> well I think
[19:40] <UltraMatt> someone once coined the phrase "rape is a special kind of evil"
[19:40] <Euri Hakinochi> So things of that nature can happen just not in the box because it can trigger people?
[19:40] <Euri Hakinochi> True.
[19:40] <UltraMatt> ..I think rape is also a special kind of drama
[19:40] <@X> ♦ What you CAN do if you need your character to undergo this for narrative purposes is to basically come back later and indicate something happened to them. But that thing must not take place in any of the boxes here.
[19:40] <@X> does that sound good
[19:40] <Euri Hakinochi> That does.
[19:40] <UltraMatt> cause it brings up issues with heroes not stepping in..or seeming to.."condone" it
[19:41] <Lego3400> yes
[19:41] <Euri Hakinochi> *nods*
[19:41] <Euri Hakinochi> Thanks everyone. I gotta plan more wedding stuff now. Bye! =)
[19:41] <@MJayDee> yersh
[19:42] <@X> ..Whoa! Congrats!
[19:43] <@MJayDee> I'd wait for that, the groom doesn't know about it yet
[19:43] <@X> lol
[19:45] <@X> good luck!
[19:46] <@MJayDee> I will also suggest an addition
[19:47] <@X> ?
[19:47] <Euri Hakinochi> Yeah I got engaged at Nintendo World on our 5th anniversary last year on Feb 25th, and we plan on getting married 10/14/17 ok BYE and thanks!!! =)
[19:47] <@MJayDee> you can pretty this up X but essentially
[19:47] <Euri Hakinochi> feb 24th^
[19:48] <@MJayDee> "No one is required to participate in your plot, if they don't wan't the be a part of it, do not force them"
[19:48] <@YumikoTakanashi> i can shorten that
[19:49] <@X> Actually i'dlike a generic ecxample fo forcing
[19:49] <@X> Don't need to shorten it
[19:49] <@MJayDee> ok
[19:50] <@MJayDee> generic example
[19:51] <@MJayDee> TV turns on showing dancing penguins. Steve turns the channel, they don't care about penguins. TV turns back to penguins and can't be turned off or channel be changed
[19:51] <@X> ok
[19:54] <@X> ♦ G. No Forcing people into your plot - No one is required to participate in anyone else's plot, and may ignore them as they like. Don't force anyone into something. For example, Gemini is watching the TV and you change it to a report about flesh-eating termites to further your plot. She changes it back to Mr. Ed and then you change it back to the report and state the channel can't be changed.
[19:55] <@X> how's that
[19:59] <@MJayDee> perfecto
[20:02] <@MJayDee> on that note, mikey go sleepy nao
[20:05] <@X> ok
[20:05] <@X> take care night
[20:17] <@X> lI'm still oepnf or feedback
[20:19] <KingPriceman> what about pausing events for small matters, like dinner?
[20:20] <DSRaoul> I've had matters where I had to pause things due to relocation, which often took upwards of 20-40 minutes. I don't think pausing is much of an issue, unless someone really has to get somewhere.
[20:20] <@X> that doesn't need to be arule, we're good about pausing.
[20:23] <DSRaoul> You can just put in a quick ooc stating "Grabbing food, on pause" or something along those lines.
[20:30] <@YumikoTakanashi> (( gottapoo brbr ))
[20:31] <@YumikoTakanashi> (( back ))
[20:31] <@YumikoTakanashi> just like that
[20:31] <DSRaoul> And there's Yumi with an example. :P
[20:32] <@YumikoTakanashi> did i does good?
[20:35] <@X> You did!
[20:36] * @YumikoTakanashi purrs
[20:48] <DSRaoul> Hm, any other things to address?
[20:49] <@YumikoTakanashi> i have a headache ><
[20:50] <DSRaoul> Can't help with that one, other than suggesting either some medication or bedrest.
[20:54] <@YumikoTakanashi> hisssss
[20:54] <@YumikoTakanashi> what about sharing the air ways?
[20:55] <DSRaoul> ?
[20:56] <@YumikoTakanashi> i cant count how many times someone has complained about being botted or shoved aside by someone else's plot or rp.
[20:56] <@YumikoTakanashi> booted^
[20:58] <DSRaoul> Ah, that. Well, Doc did mention putting the hook in ss2, then leading everyone to ss3 or ss4 for the actual thing.
[20:59] <DSRaoul> Sadly, it seems that in the heat of the moment we kinda forget that.
[20:59] <@YumikoTakanashi> we need to be more noticing to our community
[21:00] <@YumikoTakanashi> a plot is not more important than a person
[21:01] <@X> it's alwasy tricky when action heats up
[21:01] <@X> noboy wants to really move
[21:04] <@YumikoTakanashi> exactly.
[21:13] <DSRaoul> I think at roughly some point we ought to provide a subtle nudge saying "hey ss3 or ss4 please."
[21:16] <@YumikoTakanashi> i feel more like we should notice when people are being pushed
[21:18] <DSRaoul> That as well.
[21:18] <@YumikoTakanashi> if we are tryong to get people involved we should notice the people being pushed out.
[21:18] <@YumikoTakanashi> we're all friends here right?
[21:19] <@YumikoTakanashi> i mean i may be blunt and straight forward but i do care
[21:19] <@X> hmm
[21:22] <@YumikoTakanashi> and i see the people trying to have a good time. i see the handles that fade away when a plot starts up.
[21:25] <@X> MAybe we should just tell people to stasrt the plot part in 3?
[21:27] <KingPriceman> That's a good compromise.
[21:27] <KingPriceman> Start a plot in SS3 or SS4, that's a good idea.
[21:28] <@X> I mean people usually start in 2 to draw people in but i think maybe now that both boxes are here they should jjust do that
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[21:28] <@spiritflame> konbanwa saturngrl
[21:29] <SaturnGrl> Greetings
[21:29] <KingPriceman> Hi, Saturn
[21:29] <@X> yo
[21:29] <@YumikoTakanashi> hey saturn
[21:29] <SaturnGrl> What did I miss?
[21:29] <@X> you wanna check over the new rules doc and then throw in some comments?
[21:30] <@X> nothing just doing a review of policies and ideas
[21:30] <@X> links are in the topic
[21:30] <@X> of ss2
[21:31] <@YumikoTakanashi> i seriously like this
[21:31] <@X> like what
[21:33] <David O`Cain> Sounded like changes were needed. And rightfully so because way too much stuff was going on as of late and in rapid succession.
[21:33] <@X> now that is a thing
[21:33] <@X> how do we clamp down on too much parallelism
[21:34] <@X> i honestly don't know why this never used to be an issue back in the day
[21:34] <SaturnGrl> Rules are looking good. I would recommend for the Scheduling section 10 X TIMING is everything, add in reminders of using the calender, and even advertizing ideas in the forums.
[21:34] <DSRaoul> Parallelism?
[21:35] <@X> too many events and threads running in aprallel
[21:36] <SaturnGrl> Also...what would you call it when someone makes a decision for someone else's character without consulting said character's player?
[21:37] <SaturnGrl> Like let's say...DK this is one you are guilty of...your character fathered/mothered a futurespawn?
[21:38] <@X> ♦ If you want to run an event, run it by people in the forum to gauge interest. Get X to book a time for your events in the Calendar. DON'T Try to run your whole plot as background happenings in #ss2. Do a few one off incidents for flavor in #ss2 on nights when no plot is happening in #ss3, then once attention is had, shift the investigation over to #ss3. After a few nights of this kind of investigation, move on to scheduled events in #ss3 that greatly advance the plot which players can focus on, and run through your plots that way.
[21:38] <@X> That generally falls under godmoding I would think
[21:38] <@X> ideally players would consult each other before doing this
[21:38] <SaturnGrl> Yeah.
[21:40] <@YumikoTakanashi> a good rule of thumb is to ask if it involves another character that ISNT yours
[21:40] <@X> let me put that under godmoding
[21:40] <@X> alsois what i just posted ok
[21:41] <@YumikoTakanashi> like daini and kanri skipping 3 grades....i told matt first
[21:41] <@YumikoTakanashi> as he is the mother of my children......btw SG the girls have a surprise for their father
[21:41] <SaturnGrl> Even if they are family, consult, consult, consult.
[21:41] <SaturnGrl> Oh dear
[21:42] <DSRaoul> Oh it'll be a pleasant surprise. Trust me♫
[21:42] <@YumikoTakanashi> yes~
[21:42] <@YumikoTakanashi> brb...need aspirin
[21:42] <SaturnGrl> With replies like that, I am afraid
[21:42] <@X> ♦ Godmoding also includes making decisions involving other characters that aren't yours, for example just deciding to field a character who is the surprise child of Xadium and Queen Beryl without consulting their players.
[21:43] <SaturnGrl> ...
[21:43] <SaturnGrl> Xadium and Queen Beryle, eh?
[21:43] <@X> I treid to pick something ridiculous
[21:43] <SaturnGrl> Hmm...timelord breeding with Super Beryl might be interesting...who's up for another 400 experiment?
[21:44] <KingPriceman> hmm... alright... sounds good.
[21:44] <KingPriceman> Wait... 400?
[21:45] <DreamSeer> Like Melanie
[21:45] * DreamSeer looks in the mirror.
[21:45] *** DreamSeer is Melanie Baskerville-Vessalius, a young lady about 18, with blonde hair and purple eyes that seem to understand far more than she should at her age. She wears her hair short, just above her shoulders. She is one of the 400 children made by Mango. More information about her is Here.
Her image Song is: 'Night Visions' by Lindsey Stirling. She is Level 1.
[21:46] <@YumikoTakanashi> more rediculous is Nelius and Usagi
[21:46] <DSRaoul> Back around 2012, Mango got an idea from Homestuck--- genetic combination of random hotel peeps. 400 kids were made from these combinations---- some examples being Carrie, Eilean, Kaelyn, Melanie.....
[21:46] <@YumikoTakanashi> or Nelius and like anyone
[21:46] <@YumikoTakanashi> besides Zo of course ^^;;
[21:46] <DSRaoul> And yeah, Yumi--- I really don't see that happening.
[21:46] <@YumikoTakanashi> lol
[21:46] <@YumikoTakanashi> i mean XAdium is kind of a whore
[21:47] <@YumikoTakanashi> XD
[21:47] <KingPriceman> ....now I won't be surprised if that combo shows up :P
[21:47] <David O`Cain> That would be cruel for Xadium.
[21:48] <@YumikoTakanashi> so cruel.... lets do it
[21:48] <DreamSeer> http://whatis.suburbansenshi.com/index.php?title=Mango-chan_and_the_Four_Hundred_Babies
[21:48] <DreamSeer> You guys can do it :P
[21:49] <@X> [URL]
[21:49] <DSRaoul> I think we ought to ask Mango about that, given that she fielded the original idea.
[21:50] <@X> i believe she has the rules stated there
[21:50] <SaturnGrl> I was just teasing, anyway. XD
[21:52] <@YumikoTakanashi> oh come on x
[21:52] <DSRaoul> That said, considering when that originally kicked off and the time between then and now..... I really don't see it happening.
[21:52] <@YumikoTakanashi> she be all "I WILL RULE YOU ALL!!! ..............right after a spot of tea"
[21:53] <KingPriceman> When did this project happen?
[21:54] <@X> Well mango swet it up so we could have them appear at any time
[21:54] <@X> the only rules iirc were we can't create them just to kill them
[21:54] <KingPriceman> And the DNA doners?
[21:54] <@X> and certain paris were not possible
[21:55] <@X> collected by a machine from all of time and space
[21:55] <KingPriceman> is there a cutoff date for them, as in which characters after "This date" could not be extracted for the project.
[21:55] <KingPriceman> ?
[21:55] <@X> wait my bad
[21:56] <@X> it only works with people who were in the hotel at the time the machine works
[21:56] <@X> worked
[21:56] <DreamSeer> yeah
[21:56] <@X> or their dna was in the hotel at the time
[21:56] <DreamSeer> yeah
[21:56] <DreamSeer> so if you can reasonably have your character go back in time to the hotel
[21:56] <DreamSeer> then leave some skin cells or hair behind
[21:57] <DreamSeer> :P
[21:57] <KingPriceman> how to do so?
[21:57] <DSRaoul> Again, I would consult Mango before you even consider doing this.
[21:58] <KingPriceman> and, would their appearence be amended to the logs?
[21:58] <@X> no they would not
[21:58] <@X> we don't go back and rededit logs
[21:58] <@X> i have done some FICS where I do that ho
[21:59] <KingPriceman> Which Ho?
[21:59] <@X> "Whatever happened to the suburban sneshi" pit some of my chars from this era in the 2004 logs
[21:59] <@X> ^though
[22:01] <Lego3400> Aside from Morm, none of my charcters have kids from the thing
[22:02] <KingPriceman> What thing?
[22:02] <DSRaoul> The 400 Babies thing.
[22:02] <DreamSeer> The 400
[22:03] <@X> anyway let's set that aside as "ask mango later"
[22:03] <@X> Kuri, anything for us
[22:04] <DreamSeer> If you want to travel to a certain planet that your character is not from you should ask permission
[22:04] <DreamSeer> but that's more of a canon thing
[22:07] <Lego3400> You're free to travel to various netherworlds as you please as long as you don't be dumb about it
[22:07] <Lego3400> Celestia though is off limits for plot reasons
[22:08] <Lego3400> (AKA Angels are raceist jerks and keep the door locked most of the time)
[22:17] <DreamSeer> I have plot reasons for Unmei/Egae to be blocked off
[22:17] <DreamSeer> Unless you are invited there through a mirror or portal you cannot find it
[22:18] <Lego3400> Neggerra is similary blocked off. Due to complicated reasons, you can't really travel there without help from specfic people or have a Key
[22:18] <UltraMatt> you have to ask me before doing anything to Quinox first
[22:18] <UltraMatt> or adding something to the mythos
[22:18] <@X> Gsllifrey as well.
[22:18] <@X> ^Gallifrey
[22:18] <Lego3400> (The sages use magic keys that turn the doors into portals. They work in any lock
[22:19] <DreamSeer> Yeah a looooong time ago the demons managed to cloak the entire Unmei system magically so you honestly cannot find it unless you know exactly where it is
[22:19] <Lego3400> (The destinaion is preset and cannot be changed)
[22:19] <KingPriceman> Don't add to Twin Monster's Mythos unless I like the Idea, but You CAN Travel to P+DA-001 at ANY Time.
[22:19] <UltraMatt> that's something I should also say
[22:19] <UltraMatt> if something involves my characters
[22:19] <UltraMatt> please..please...PLEASE talk to me first
[22:19] <Lego3400> Question kuri:
[22:19] <UltraMatt> if you just add something in without telling me
[22:19] <DreamSeer> yes?
[22:19] <Lego3400> Is Umei inhabited mostly by demons?
[22:19] <UltraMatt> I will NOT be apperciative
[22:19] <DreamSeer> Demons primarily but they're very different from like Etna and the like
[22:20] <DreamSeer> there are humans
[22:20] <KingPriceman> But Matt, I'm willing to Add Quinox to The Twin Monsters Universe, because I like the idea of it :)
[22:20] <DreamSeer> elves, werewolves, and vampires
[22:20] <Lego3400> I was going to say if you want to classify it as a Netherwoorld feel free
[22:20] <DreamSeer> but werewolves, vampires and elves are the extreme minority
[22:20] <Lego3400> (The netherwrolds have all those)
[22:20] <UltraMatt> please...
[22:20] <UltraMatt> don't
[22:20] <UltraMatt> do not do that, DK
[22:20] <KingPriceman> Okay then.
[22:20] <UltraMatt> Quinox stays in it's own mythos
[22:21] <DreamSeer> lol thank you but no, lego
[22:21] <UltraMatt> and in the sub sen mythos
[22:21] <KingPriceman> okay :)
[22:21] <DreamSeer> Unmei and Egae are very dear to me and will remain their own mythos
[22:21] <UltraMatt> so please, DK..unless you really...really...really...REALLLLY want to piss me off
[22:21] <UltraMatt> just..don't
[22:21] <UltraMatt> anyway
[22:22] <DreamSeer> Anyways there's a very good reason quinox knows where the unmei system is
[22:22] <@X> and I am locking down alternate timelines of the Sub Senshi
[22:23] <DreamSeer> cause Quinox's rulers are such good friends of the rulers of Unmei and Egae and they know that the other would NEVER invade or betray them
[22:23] <@X> because when the book comes out it will be vital i can control the parallels
[22:23] <@X> since there may be corssovers
[22:23] <@X> there's already been some bleedthrough
[22:23] <KingPriceman> That is a good idea, X.
[22:24] <@X> i am also considering lowering the profile of the chats so they're notlisted on the main pages or the tumblr but on their owwn page
[22:25] <@X> because if the book does get of any appreciable note i need to reduce confusion and prevent a n00bflood
[22:25] <@X> i.e. i want to make SS more of an invite thing
[22:26] <DreamSeer> To control the quality, x? XD
[22:26] <@X> well look at us now
[22:26] <@X> we're bbarley 30
[22:26] <@X> and we have a hell of a time with logistics
[22:26] <@X> imagine double ot triple
[22:27] <@X> it will become too busy and unmanageable
[22:27] <@X> invite only will be better
[22:27] <@X> since we can bring in people who are ready for us XD
[22:28] <KingPriceman> We can have them apply to join in on the fun
[22:30] <Lego3400> How often do people actully find us as it is?
[22:30] <DreamSeer> Not often
[22:30] <@X> very rarely
[22:31] <@X> but when the book comes out my front ages are goign to change
[22:31] <@X> front pages
[22:31] <DreamSeer> yeah
[22:31] <@X> the fanfic part will go behind a different index
[22:31] <DreamSeer> make sure the boxes are hidden XD
[22:31] <@X> riseofthemagicalgirl.com will be the main book support site
[22:33] <KingPriceman> Where will your Front page mini chats go?
[22:33] <@X> away. i don't really do them anymore, they'll be archived
[22:34] <DreamSeer> sadface
[22:34] <@X> my main focus with be the boxes here
[22:34] <@X> will be
[22:34] <DreamSeer> i liked the minichats :P
[22:34] <KingPriceman> We gotta start doing some of our own.
[22:34] <@X> i know
[22:34] <@X> hmm
[22:35] <@X> or I might do them with the book chars.
[22:35] <KingPriceman> and if it is implemented, how do we do so?
[22:36] <@X> you'd know when I implmebt it if i do
[22:53] <UltraMatt> ok
[22:53] <DSRaoul> Anything else we need to hash out?
[22:56] <SaturnGrl> http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/SaturnGrl/My%20Art/Drawings/MLP%20Related/SkyBreeze_zpsbezvwjrc.png
[23:00] <@X> not as far as i can tell
[23:01] <@X> I predict when LL sees this there will be
[23:01] <@X> I'd like sol's feedback too but he's busy for a while
[23:01] <@X> so we'll pick this up later
[23:01] <@X> i think we have the input of just about everyine
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[23:02] <DSRaoul> All righty~
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[23:02] <KingPriceman> OKAY :D
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